![]() I personally think it's simply planned obsolescence. It still makes sense in some cases, but the industry is running far ahead of 'needs'.Įxcept for storage, because of cloud subscriptions IMO. But in America and with Apple we're so rich, we're still seeing upgrades because something takes seconds longer, for what used to take hours. But even heavy data crunching is well served by entry level computers and are farmed out to servers commonly anyway. ![]() Yes, certain media like 4k/8k video and AR/VR needs more powerful machines, that's why Apple aims for those markets. Humans don't do well with abundance, and Apple is flailing on their business model because it's been TOO successful at engineering improvements. Iphones are way overpowered, ipads are, PCs are, obvs Mac doesn't really need an m2, they're already so far ahead of competition and the M1s are already ridiculously good. The industry won't talk about it, but user-based hardware 'needs' have absolutely plateaued in the last 5-10 years. But I will argue that if you upgrade this often, then money and the environment are not something you care about that much. If you upgrade every 3 or 4 years, then 8gb might be okay. Now, I'm not from a rich country, so I understand that you guys in Europe and the US have a very different consumption pattern than the one I'm used to, but here we use our devices until it's not possible anymore. Having a 16gb base model would probably extend the product life for quite awhile. The most overpowered we can make a computer today, longer it will take to become obsolete. If a computer is overpowered today, it will become average soon and eventually it will become slow, and people will have to upgrade. If she had bought the 8gb model back then, it would last a few more years, saving her money and being a more environmentally friendly option. My sister is shopping for a MacBook, and she doesn't need 16gb, so it would be better for her to buy a 8gb model so she can save some money, right? The thing is she is only on the market right now because her current MacBook got 4gb soldered. and this has become a problem, not the price. However, that only holds as long as macOS continues to improve. How can that be "expensive"?!? They are saving money, not spending it. 10% of the cost of an employee in IBM is several times the entire cost of an Apple computer. IBM has measured that their staff that uses Macs is 10% more productive than the ones using Windows. So, my beef with Apple is not that it should be cheaper, but that they need to invest more in macOS, not just Apple Silicon. maybe not so in less developed countries, and they should go for Linux and cheap PCs instead. A Mac costs you some $50 a month for the lifetime of the product, this is affordable for most professionals in the Western world. ![]() I want Apple to provide good value, I want their products to be affordable, not cheap. It is not in my interest for Apple to participate in the race to the bottom that we have seen wipe out so many quality PC makers. ![]() Without that, they will eventually fail and so will my own investment in Apple products. The most important aspect to me is Apple being longterm profitable and investing in new products and development. I'd rather pay less, but that's not happening so I'm left with the choice of paying Apple's prices or giving up battery life and dealing with Windows or Linux, which I'm not ready to do. Yeah, Apple charges a lot for memory upgrades, too. Higher base prices will reduce sales volume, which means fixed costs are amortized over fewer units which again exerts upward pressure on prices. 16GB is certainly better (for longevity if nothing else), but shipping systems with 16GB makes entry level machines more expensive, both because of the added cost of the memory, but also because it means fewer people will upgrade, and thus Apple will raise base prices even further to maintain their profit margin. Very fast SSDs means that swapping data between SSD and RAM happens very quickly, quickly enough that most people won't notice it if they are switching between apps / windows / tabs.ĨGB is fine for a lot of people who aren't working with large files. That's still a long time, but in that time SSDs have become both standard and very fast. 20y ago almost all Macs and PCs had 32-bit CPUs and were limited to <4GB of RAM.ġ0y ago 8GB was mid-range among Macs. 8GB was absolutely not the default 20 years ago. ![]()
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